A Miracle or A Deception?

webmaster9@mostmerciful.com A Miracle or A Deception?

A MIRACLE
WITHIN THE MIRACLES
OR
ONE MORE DECEIT
WITHIN THE DECEITS?
A "19er" tries to defend Rashad's
"Deceit #1" with one more Deceit

A Critic to my original article: 'Rashad DELETES **TWO Verses 9: 128/129** and yet the count remains the same' URLhttp://www.mostmerciful.com/deceit-one.htm
resorts to one more DECEIT in his defense

Under Message Number 35 posted on 4/21/01 at
Yahoo's Club http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/debateover19
A Place to Discuss Rashad Khalifa and "19" theory,
the Critic ( a "19er" ), using Yahoo Club Member's I.D. "metekural" wrote to another Yahoo Club Member I.D. "haleem1955" as under:

In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

   Thanks for your responses to my question about the miracle initials.
   Now, I would like to continue this thread of the debate by responding
   to the claims made at http://mostmerciful.com/deceit-one.htm
   exposed by Haleem... (unrelated text is deleted)

   Now I'll continue with my responses to the unaltered count issue.
Here
   is actually what happened, which is itself miraculous, and you can see
   the beautiful scheme of the Almighty. When Dr. Khalifa's first
   translation was printed, he had the count of the word "Allah" in the
   Quran listed as 2698 = 19x142. This was based on the famous and
   trusted Quranic index of Abdulbaki or whatever his name from Egypt.
   Even today, if you look at that index, it has that number. Now, listen
   carefully. When you count "Allah"s, you do not include the ones in
   Basmalah's, because they are at the beginning of Suras and are
   "unnumbered" Ayats. But there is "one" exception. The Basmalah in
   Al-Fatihah is numbered as verse 1 of the sura, so it is part of the Sura,
   and it has to be counted. If the author of the index observed this rule,
   he would have come up with 2699 "Allah"s. But it was God's will that
   he did not, and Dr. Khalifa simply went along with this count assuming
   it was correct without actually counting them himself. So he did not
   count "Allah"s himself in the first publication and took Abdulbaki's
   for granted.

   By the time later edition came, he had the knowledge of two false
   verses. Incidentally, there is one occurrence of God in these verses.
   So
   if you take that one out, the count goes to 2697, but then you add the
   Allah in the Basmalah of Al-Fatihah, it goes back to 2698. This is
   God's beauty. It plays a dual role. For a rejecter, it will be a trap to
   make fun and satisfy himself that people are manipulating numbers to
   make a miracle. For a believer though, it's a miracle within a miracle.
   This type of things are hard to express to the kind of people out there
   ready to make fun of you, and have no intention to listen to you. Ask
   them a simple question how many letters in the Basmalah. How many
   suras in the Quran? That will expose them.

Now, it's your turn, the other side.

May God be with you.

Mete Kural

My Response to Critic Mete Kural:

The above posted criticism was e-mailed to me by Brother Haleem
<Haleem1955@aol.com>. My response through Haleem posted at Yahoo's Club http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/debateover19
under Message No. 109 of 4/24/01 reads:

As salaam alaikum:

Please ask this Critic Mete Kural, if he was the follower of Rashad
Khalifa when he had published his first publication?

Has he himself heard this unusual story from Rashad Khalifa?

Has this story been recorded by Rashad in any of his publication?

OR IS THIS A CONCOCTED STORY BY ONE OF HIS
FOLLOWER???

   If the Critic had attended the lectures of Rashad in those days when
   he had just removed the two verse from the Qur'an, he would have
   HEARD the Truth.

   Rashad was a computer expert by profession
   and had himself entered each and every
   alphabet and word of the Quran in his own computer.
   He had produced the results on his Personal Computer.

This was his often repeated claim.

Not only that but I, Akbarally Meherally, have heard Rashad in
Vancouver, BC with my own ears defending the difference between the earlier count and the later by claiming that his Personal Computer was Divinely Guided and as such it was the Divine Error made by the Computer, for the first time.

   If one has doubts about the above response, I am
   producing below the written and documented proof from the Rashad's
   own publication that NONE CAN DENY...

   It clearly indicates that he had counted each and
   every word ("ALLAH" in this case) physically, as well.
   AND, he had not borrowed the counts from any other book or
   individual....

This is in the year 1982...

In 1981 Rashad published his first Qur'an with the Golden Cover.
He had not deleted the two verses 128-129 of Surah At-Tawbah (9).

   In 1982 he published a book 'Qur'an: Visual Presentation of the
   Miracle' In this publication he gave the LIST OF ALL THE
   CHAPTERS AND ALL THE VERSES containing "Allah" in the
   Qur'an.

On page 30 of this book he had mentioned:

<Chapter One and Verse Number One as Count Number 1.>

<Chapter One and Verse Number Two as Count Number 2.>

On page 43 of this book he had mentioned

<One Allah instead of Two for Verse 15 of Chapter 9>

On page 45 of this book he had mentioned

<One Allah in Verse 129 (which he later deleted) of Chapter 9>

I HAVE A COPY OF THIS BOOK (1982) IN MY LIBRARY AND
ALSO THE QURAN PUBLISHED IN 1981!

. . . I hope to hear from Mete Kural....

Was salaam

Akbarally Meherally

METE KURAL RESPONDS:

Under Message Numbers 274 and 275 posted on 5/3/01 at
Yahoo's Club http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/debateover19
under the heading: This Club's Debate Gets Publicity!

In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Here's the reply to that post by Meherally, Haleem.

Under Message Number 35 posted on 4/21/01 at 2:27 at Yahoo's Club
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/debateover19 A Place to Discuss Rashad Khalifa and "19" theory, the Critic ( a "19er" ), using Yahoo Club Member's I.D. "metekural" wrote to another Yahoo Club Member I.D. "haleem1955" as under: .......(unrelated text is deleted)

<< Here is actually what happened, which is itself miraculous, and you can see the beautiful scheme of the Almighty. When Dr. Khalifa's first translation was printed, he had the count of the word "Allah" in the Quran listed as 2698 = 19x142. This was based on the famous and
trusted Quranic index of Abdulbaki or whatever his name from Egypt. Even today, if you look at that index, it has that number. ...........If the author of the index observed this rule, he would have come up with 2699 "Allah"s. But it was God's will that he did not, >>>

NO ONE can deny that it was God's will that the count of the word GOD (Allah) in the Quran as counted in the most famous index of the Quran and befoe Dr. Khalifa ever appeared in the picture would be 2698 = 19 X 142

No ONE corrected this number all the years this book (index of the Quran) was published, another will of God Almighty.

Mr Abdul Baqi, had no interest in the 19 and never heard of it, God did not want him to know about it and he did not. But God insisted that Abdul Baqi, despite his error will come up with the right number of God, ALLAH in the Quran.

This may have been a misquote. Dr Khalifa counted the word GOD, Allah, also in the Quran and found them to be 2698 = 19 X 142 and found that his count agrees with that of the famous index of the Quran. This agreement in the count did not raise any suspicion in him.

It was God's will that Abdul Baqi count God, Allah, as 2698 = 19 X 142 and aslo for Dr. Khalifa to count the same number although both made a different mistake.

The FINAL result was that GOD INSISTED that the count of the word GOD, ALLAH in the Quran, stays correct irrespective of the human errors by either men.

Neither Mr Abdul Baqi nor Dr. Kahlifa meant to deceive, but it was rather God's Almighty forcing the right number on both, 2698 = 19X142.

<< By the time later edition came, he had the knowledge of two false verses. Incidentally, there is one occurrence of God in these verses. >>

By re-counting, Dr. Khalifa corrected his mistake and removed the extra word God, Allah, from the false verse 129 in sura 9, and the total count did not change , AS GOD WANTS IT. 2698 = 19X142.

Again GOD INSISTED. The rejectors hates it.

Again God is forcing the right numbers, 2698, 19 X 142, despite what the disbelievers wish to happen.

Had Dr. Khalifa had any intentions of deceit he would not have published his count publicly, but he did it rather to share his results with the world, assuring them of what he did and what took place. It was God's plan, so a rejector will be trapped, make fun of it and satisfy
himself that Dr. Khalifa is manipulating numbers to make a miracle. For a believer though, it's a miracle within a miracle.

( continued in the next post )

After all, look at the GREATEST miracle of all, that these rejectors cannot see or appreciate, the final total of the verse numbers wherever the word "GOD" Allah, occurs, is 118123 = 19 X 6217. NOT another co-incidence

Did Dr. Khalifa also manipulate all these verses in the Quran that has the word God in it to become a multiple of 19. Did Dr. Khalifa deceive God and put His name in these verses that will add at the end of 114 chapers to 118123 (19X6217).

   The deceit is that of the rejectors they deceive their own souls.
   ___________________________________________________
   << Not only that but I, Akbarally Meherally, have heard Rashad in Vancouver, BC with my own ears defending the difference between the earlier count and the later by claiming that his Personal Computer was Divinely Guided and as such it was the Divine Error made by the
Computer, for the first time. >>

Of course , every thing is according to God's plan. The earlier count is EQUAL to the later count , 2698 = 19X142. No one fooled God to prodcue these resulta but rather it was God seeing to it that the CORRECT word of God is produced despite any human error.

I would understand your upset if Dr. Khalifa got five or six words of Allah wrong, not finding the SAME COUNT, earlier and later.

<< In 1982 Dr. Khalifa published a book 'Qur'an: Visual Presentation of the Miracle' in it On page 43 of this book he had mentioned On page 45 of this book he had mentioned >>

Both Abdul Baqi and Dr. Khalifa made a mistake ( not a deceit) and BOTH produced the CORRECT number of GOD, ALLAH, in their FINAL count, by God's leave, not by their choice.

This CORRECT number has been proven by the divisibility of the total of the verse nubmer where the word GOD, occur also by X 19.

We see it as a miracle , you see it as nothing. So did pharoah when he looked at the Great miracle of Moses. We do not see the same result, God decides who would see a miracle and who would see trash.

[2:118] Those who possess no knowledge say, "If only GOD could speak to us, or some miracle could come to us!" Others before them have uttered similar utterances; their minds are similar. We do manifest the miracles for those who have attained certainty.

"Indeed the book of the righteous will be in 'Elleyyeen. Do you know what 'Elleyyeen is? A NUMERICALLY STRUCTURED BOOK To be witnessed BY THOSE CLOSE TO ME. The righteous have deserved bliss." [83: 18-22]

<< . . . I hope to hear from Mete Kural.... >>

You just did.

My Response to Mete Kural # 2:

"They follow nothing but Conjecture; and conjecture avails nothing against Truth" Sura An-Najam - The Star (53) : verse 28

Here are the fundamental problems in admitting the arguments "Conjectures", presented by the "19er" Mete Kural in his defense:

Conjecture v/s Truth # 1: Kural's primary thrust of his argument is based upon an INDEX. He writes; Rashad Khalifa "trusted Quranic index of Abdulbaki or whatever his name from Egypt". One can clearly visualize that Kural is not sure about the correct name of the author, the exact location in Egypt nor he has the proper name of that publication. I doubt if he has seen this unknown Index and the method of Counting.
Whereas, I have presented all the details of Rashad's publication including the numbers of pages from which I have quoted Rashad.
Furthermore, I have copies of Rashad's publications in my library.

Conjecture v/s Truth # 2: On the subject of his narrative that Rashad had "trusted Quranic index of Abdulbaki" I asked him three questions:

1. "Has he himself heard this unusual story from Rashad Khalifa?"
2. "Has this story been recorded by Rashad in any of his publication?"
3. "OR IS THIS A CONCOCTED STORY BY ONE OF HIS
FOLLOWER???"

Mete Kural has swept these Questions under the carpet. One can clearly see that his story is nothing but a Conjecture. Whereas, I have named the place where I had personally heard Rashad making the claim that the counts came from his own computer. I can give names of the persons who were also present at that gathering in Vancouver. B.C.

Conjecture v/s Truth # 3: Mete Kural writes: "Both Abdul Baqi and Dr. Khalifa made a mistake ( not a deceit) and BOTH produced the CORRECT number of GOD, ALLAH, in their FINAL count, by God's leave, not by their choice." Is that so? Where is FINAL count or the CORRECTED INDEX of Abdul Baqi according to "God's leave"???
Finally, when and which angel of God did convey to Mete Kural that it was "God's leave" to mislead "Both Abdul Baqi and Dr. Khalifa"?
Whereas I have not taken the shelter of such CONJECTURES.

Deception v/s Truth Mete Kural quotes verses of the Qur'an:

"Indeed the book of the righteous will be in 'Elleyyeen. Do you know what 'Elleyyeen is? A NUMERICALLY STRUCTURED BOOK To be witnessed BY THOSE CLOSE TO ME. The righteous have deserved bliss."
[83: 18-22]

Below are the translations of the above verses by Yusuf Ali and by M. Pickthall. One can see the intended exploitation and the injection.

"Nay verily the Record of the Righteous is (preserved) in `Illiyin. And what will explain to thee what `Illiyin is? (There is) a Register (fully) inscribed. To which bear witness those
Nearest (to Allah). Truly the Righteous will be in Bliss."
"Nay, but the record of the righteous is in Iliyin. Ah, what will convey unto thee what Iliyin is! A written record, Attested by those who are brought near (unto their Lord). Lo! the righteous verily are in delight."

God's Miracle within Miracles:

Was it also a "God's intended plan or God's leave" that Rashad should spell out just one isolated initial "nun", into "nun waw nun" in Sura 68; and also he should miscount the alphabet "lam" in Surah 30 Verse 21?
For further details please surf: http://www.mostmerciful.com/deceit-two.htm
http://www.mostmerciful.com/deceit-three.htm

Before I close, Kural wrote: "the final total of the verse numbers wherever the word "GOD" Allah, occurs, is 118123 = 19 X 6217."

Please give details of the available publication with ISBN number, wherein the entire list of all the verses is given and the total is matched.

I look forward to Mete Kural's response that appeals to logic.

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